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Entry from May 17, 2011
“As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in schools”

"As long as there are surprise math tests, there will always be prayer in the public schools” has been cited in print since at least March 1983. “As long as there are final exams there will always be prayer in school” has also been cited from 1983.

The popular version usually includes “final exams” and not “math tests.” The saying was a favorite of Ronald Reagan (1911-2004).


21 March 1983, Chicago (IL) Daily Herald, “New fight prepared for school prayer” by Paul Gores, sec. 1, pg. 7, col. 1:
Some educators like to joke that as long as there are surprise math tests, there will always be prayer in the public schools.

Google Books
Meet the Press
Volume 83
1983
Pg. 7:
Jokingly, someone has said as long as there are final exams there will always be prayer in school, and individuals will be allowed to pray on their own.

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American Opinion
Volume 27
1983
Pg. 36:
Spied on a large sign in front of a South Boston motel: “As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools.”

Google News Archive
4 March 1984, Anchorage (AK) Daily News, “Senate prepares to take up old debate over propriety of prayer in U.S. public schools,” pg. A12, col. 1:
“As long as there are math tests, students will pray in the schools,” Rep. Charlie Rose, D-N.C., said.

Google News Archive
6 March 1984, Pittsburgh (PA) Press, “God help Congress as it tackles school preayer issue” by Phil Musick, pg. B1, col. 2:
As a teacher was telling the Washington Post the other day, “as long as there are math tests, there will be prayer in schools.”

New York (NY) Times
5 SENATORS OPPOSE SCHOOL PRAYER MEASURE
By JANE PERLEZ, Special to the New York Times
Published: March 16, 1984
Christopher J. Dodd
(...)
Current law does not forbid students from praying. As somebody said, ‘’As long as there are math tests, there will be prayer in school.’’

24 April 1984, Phiuladelphia (PA) Inquirer, “Falwell, Edgar: Religion has place in politics,” pg. B3:
“As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in the schools,” he said.

Google Books
America’s Schools:
Passing the test of the ‘80s?

By Carol C. Collins
New York, NY: Facts on File Publications
1985
Pg. 177:
Lowell Weicker has observed, that as long as there are math tests there will be prayer in schools, whatever the justices may opine.

Google Books
Becoming Anabaptist:
The origin and significance of sixteenth-century Anabaptism

By J. Denny Weaver
Scottdale, PA: Herald Press
1987
Pg. 196:
As the old joke goes, “As long as teachers give tests, there will be prayer in schools.”

The Notes:
Ronald Reagan’s Private Collection of Stories and Wisdom

By Ronald Reagan
Edited by Douglas Brinkley
New York, NY: HarperCollins
2011
Pg. 204:
As long as there are final exams there will be prayer in schools.

Posted by Barry Popik
New York CityEducation/Schools • (0) Comments • Tuesday, May 17, 2011 • Permalink